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    City & Region

    ACC opponents told to keep fighting

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    Opponents of a proposed gasification plant at Mission Flats fear dwindling attendance at a series of public forums is a sign of a growing complacency on the issue.

    “I think most people think that the big rally was the last hurrah. That they’ve defeated it,” said Hap Ryan. “I don’t think it is defeated.”

    Ryan was one of about 40 people who attended the fourth forum hosted by Thompson Rivers University professor Derek Cook at the university Sunday.

    When the first forum was held last month, it was standing room only. Attendance has since slowly died off.

    But a rally and Kamloops Chamber of Commerce forum at TRU last Thursday drew hundreds of people. Many oppose Aboriginal Cogeneration Corp’s intention to build a railway tie gasification plant in Kamloops.

    Ryan said people need to keep attending the forums and putting pressure on ACC president Kim Sigurdson and the province to move the plant elsewhere.

    “Even if these guys could prove it’s OK, it’s the idea of millions upon millions of creosoted ties being shipped into the city and stockpiled. It’s bizarre,” he said.

    He is worried that rain and snow will wash creosote from the ties into the ground, where it will seep into the river, said Ryan.

    Katherina Senger shares Ryan’s concern. She said Kamloops has come a long way from being an industrial town and she doesn’t want to see a “dirty, polluting thing” set up shop here.

    The best way to prevent that is to keep up the public pressure, said Senger.

    “We’ll take industry, but not if it’s dirty,” she said. “We do not need another, dirty, polluting industry here.”

    Don Barz, a Kamloops-based financial planner, used Google Earth to show attendees at the forum how close the ACC site is to the Thompson River and North Shore.

    If a strong wind comes up, it could easily toss creosote coated wood chips and other particulate into the river and Brocklehurst, he said.

    Barz said creosote isn’t the only concern. The ties might be covered in coal dust, asbestos and other toxins people aren’t even aware of.

    “There’s a lot of other stuff in them than creosote. We have to get away from it just being creosote,” he said.

    Sigurdson said Thursday night he is taking public opposition into consideration and will decided in the next two to three weeks if he will reconsider the Mission Flats location.


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    rwethereyet says...

    So many people in Kamloops just jump to wild conclussions, without any prroof.
    The testing has proven how clean burning the gen plants are, yet the people scream about huge pollution.......So I ask you people, where is your prrof of all this pollution?

    Kamloops is going downhill, and still people here seem to be ANTI- business.
    You need to be pro- business and attract companies to come here, not drive them away.

    And I am still waiting for the proof this plant proposed by ACC is dirty and/or dangerous.....So far I have only seen proof of how clean it is.

    Sounds like a bunch of unfounded rumour spreading to me, nothing more.

    Posted on March 17, 2010 @ 8:22 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3492637 

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    scapaflow40 says...

    Thank you misprint, this is an excellent summary of the disastrous Kamloops city planning I have read. It is really time to move the city forward and take the opportunity to fix the mistakes.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 5:28 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3481313 

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    meerkat says...

    Let's error on the side of safe air in kamloops.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 4:27 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3481310 

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    missprint says...

    wasa

    Perhaps you should wander on down to the Kamloops Museum and get a refresher course in Kamloops' history. The city centre has always been where it currently is. The industrial nature of Mission Flats clearly came after the growth of the downtown core and if city forefathers had any sense they would never have gone that route and we wouldn't be here in 2010 trying to deter more of the same. It is really a shame that industry and the dump have taken over that area of the city given its proximity to the river and in the direction of Kamloops lake to boot.

    I won't repeat myself on my opinions regarding ACC's bid to move here (no doubt BenDover and Grouchy will do a happy dance at the thought) but I will say that Kamloops does have an opportunity to redefine itself and it should take it.

    Locating industry on Mission Flats was a big mistake. Not having water meters decades ago was a mistake. Not building sidewalks in Brock was a mistake. Lets not keep making the same mistakes.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 4:10 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3481309 

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    wasa says...

    How is it possible to not trust the MOE, as explained at the forum, the MOE is audited, and their instruments are checked and calibrated by an outside firm. and all their info is open to the public.
    Industry was not built in the centre of the city, it is the city that has moved to the industrial area, people want to live close to where they work, and that is the same in every city.

    WHEN ACC starts up the gasifier in the near future they will follow a strict commissioning procedure,
    designed with public and environmental safety as it's number one priority

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 12:44 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3481269 

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    Moonriver says...

    How is it possible to trust MOE to properly and honestly monitor and report findings on ACC, Domtar, or any other industry after the fiasco in Prince George? They are understaffed and underfunded. People, with very good reason have lost faith.
    I agree with scrapaflow, forward thinking citizens want industry moved from the centre of town, where it clearly doesn't belong and never did.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 10:31 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481231 

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    menthelius says...

    Many, many posts/comments ago, somebody mentioned the #1 question that has never been answered:

    WHY DO TAX PAYERS HAVE TO PAY TO CLEAN UP A PRIVATE COMPANY'S WASTE?

    Anybody have an answer to that one?

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 9:20 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481207 

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    ed says...

    Although it is still a little early in the morning and the big picture is a little fuzzy, I would have to suggest that the big picture includes the dump at Cache Creek, cattle yards, mushroom composting sites, ginsing fields etc. We are producing this stuff everyday. And we are not coming up satisfactory solutions except NIMBY. If you consider that we can transport gasoline, frozen chicken and beer without risk or daily disasters, we should be able to move some railway ties!

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 6:29 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481176 

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    BENTBLADE says...

    Laker
    Your missing the big picture and my guess you have not lived in Kamloops very long . MOE is not the do all and end all ...
    I wonder what the people where thinking or where told that coal burning for power generation and the steel mills was the way of the future
    Or that esbestos was the do all to end all problems with insulation for high heat insulation installations..
    Or better still how about the use of wood preservitives you guessed it Creosote. where in hell are all the professionals gone that supported those issues of there day
    And to be honest you sound like our MIA MLA Terry Lake
    But rather then play mind games why not concentrate on the real culperts and that is CNR and CPR They should be forced by the law as any company now has to deal with called reclamation

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 5:57 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481175 

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    ed says...

    It is possible that the gasification process is a very good process of fuel generation and material destruction, but there still seems to be some unanswered questions in the area of dust management and worker safety. Collection, transport and delivery require clear handling rules if these materials are hazardous in any of the ways that they are handled. This should have nothing to do with the unhealthy power of the railroads. Handling of the material on site should not result in any dust. It may mean completely indoor unloading with negative air control. Can fuel be loaded whole without grinding? Are workers suited up or isolated from dust or do we wait until they are really sick before the work site is redesigned? Do we build from health and safety end, or the cheapest end? We still want a very good way of managing this material because we still have a lot of our own to do.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 5:30 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481173 

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    meerkat says...

    Let's error on the side of safe air.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 4:22 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481171 

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    meerkat says...

    Lets error on the side of safety.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 2:15 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481167 

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    meerkat says...

    50 years ago cigarette companies swore on their mothers graves that cigarettes were not the cause of lung cancer that developed in millions of people that smoked.Smoking was even touted to be safe.It was a brilliant advertising campaign. By the time people found out the truth it would be too late and millions would become sick with lung cancer.Decades of class action lawsuits and litigation would finally force cigarette companies to admit that maybe cigarettes hadn't been as safe as advertised.Let's not find out in 20 years that emissions from this plant have slowly been killing us.It's not worth the risk.Even if particulate emissions exceed safe levels in the future,once here, it will be very hard to extract this gasification plant from our city.For example look at Domtar,this is a company that cares little about the opinions citizens of kamloops may have.They do what they want, when they want, and if kamloops does't like it too bad.Lets error on the side of safe air for our city.

    Posted on March 16, 2010 @ 2:07 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3481166 

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    menthelius says...

    Because the PCP components will be released into the environment and we will all suffer horrible and painful death.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 11:34 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3481162 

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    BenDover says...

    There was an answer to that...just escapes me for the moment...maybe check archives but it might have something to do with the process.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 6:56 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3479252 

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    Kamiloops says...

    I have tried and don't get a response, have asked a ton of people and no one seems to know? It says in the permit they cant used it. Why?

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 4:56 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3474971 

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    BenDover says...

    Ask Sigurdsen.....if you can get a word in.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 4:35 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3474968 

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    Kamiloops says...

    Can anyone answer this?

    Why is ACC not allowed to burn ties treated with pentachlorophenol? CN Ties.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 3:52 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3474961 

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    scapaflow40 says...

    I was at the forum last Thursday also. I agree that the scientific evidence points to a fairly low risk.

    The problem is that ACC did an incredibly poor job of explaining this to the public both before the the project became well known to the community and during the event. Frankly Mr. Sigurdson should have spent some of his money on PR help. He did not sound credible last week.

    Finally, I think the community simply wants Kamloops to move away from heavy industry (no matter clean or not) in the centre of the City. Eventually the pulp mill will close and industry will be on the edges of town where it belongs. By pushing away ACC it a beginning to a long term reclamation of that part of the City.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 12:34 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3474941 

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    Grouchy says...

    Very well reasoned post Laker. Fortunately ACC does not have to count on "locals " to support their business. I believe they should just say screw you , we are going ahead. But then that's just my bad attitude to the face of ignorance.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 9:52 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3474899 

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    BenDover says...

    Laker...I think I love you...( in a non-sexual way, of course ) Who knew that there were a couple of "voices of reason" in town. Rather refreshing, to say the least.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 9:38 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3474897 

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    Laker says...

    It's clear to me at this point that the plant will not be built in Kamloops. It would be business suicide for the company.

    However, it won't be here for all the wrong reasons. I went to the forum at TRU on Thursday.

    I saw scientific data presented by MOE officials whom have nothing to gain by providing this permit, and everything to lose.

    The MOE official repeated several times that the exhaust would be less harmful than that coming from a wood fireplace.

    This information was dismissed out right by the crowd that was present. Like they somehow know better than MOE?

    Gasifier's are hardly a new, unproven technology. In fact there are 3 ALREADY IN OPERATION IN KAMLOOPS.

    I do support those that stood up against the project I am just not sure they did it for the right reasons. Their energies would be far more effectively spent lobbying Domtar and Lafarge.

    Mr. Sigurdson's biggest mistake was underestimating the mob mentality people can get into when they are uninformed. Mr. Sigurdson your project was a good one that should have proceeded.

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 9:22 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3474895 

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    BenDover says...

    Apparently Mr. Ryan does not realize what the purpose of railway ties are, where they are located and the weather extremes they are subjected to year round.Oh, Katherina, your car is a bigger polluter,btw. ( boy, the "bats" are really flying around this town...)

    Posted on March 15, 2010 @ 8:35 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3474884 

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