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    The arithmetic of water-meter bills

    Now that Kamloops City council has decided to go ahead with installing water meters in every house in town, people want to know the financial costs residents face.

    Utilities director David Duckworth said Wednesday of the 250 or so people who voluntarily had meters installed, most are saving between $30 and $100 a year on their water bills.

    The costs will vary depending on a lot size. For every 1,000 square metres of property, the City charges a flat rate of $122.

    So someone with a lot of 3,300 square metres now pays three times that $122, or $366.

    But on top of that, everyone pays a fixed capital rate of $256.40 and fixed consumption rate of $198.80. So the person in this example pays $821.20 a year for water.

    Someone with the smallest lot size of 1,000 square metres or less pays $577.20 a year.

    When meters are installed, the same resident will pay $256.40 for capital and a fixed consumption rate of $144.59. For that $400.99, that individual gets 45,000 litres for three months in winter, 45,000 litres in fall, 90,000 litres in spring and 90,000 litres in summer.

    There is no charge for having a large lot. But above and beyond those three-month allocations, that person will be charged 65 cents per 1,000 litres of water used. If the use goes really high, that rate will climb to $1.

    If homeowners use less than their three-month allotment, such as 80,000 litres in spring, they can’t carry over the remaining 10,000 litres into summer.

    Duckworth said a proposal by Coun. Denis Walsh to avoid meters by going to a three-day watering schedule wouldn’t work. First, it would be difficult to enforce. The even/odd system currently in use is easy to follow and easy for bylaws to enforce.

    But more than that, it wouldn’t achieve the water conservation needed to stave off pending infrastructure works, he said. His staff have looked into the issue at length and have found no municipality using that system.

    “If it was that easy, every single water utility would be doing that.”

    Walsh’s proposal calls for 30 per cent of households to water on Day 1, 30 per cent on Day 2 and 40 per cent on Day 3. On the days where the 40 per cent can water, it’s certain that after three days almost all of them will put on their sprinklers, he said.

    That will cause a huge drain on the water system.

    Duckworth noted that with the odd/even system, people don’t always water every second day.

    “But if you make it go to three days, everyone will water,” he said.

    “When you keep restricting people, but they can use as much as they want during that time period, they’ll use more on that day then they do on the odd/even day.”

    The City has maxed out its other options, including education, watering restrictions and fines, he said. Meters are the only option left.

    “A complete ban would solve all our problems. But I don’t want Kamloops to go brown. I don’t want people not to have gardens.”

    The reason for starting the metering program in the southeast and downtown areas is that’s where infrastructure works are slated to be done first, he said. Water meters will prevent or defer those projects.

    The same rationale applies to the southwest part of the city, which is second in line for meters. And the North Shore is third because infrastructure projects there are further off.

    “There’s lots of little steps left. It’s about making this a fair system for everybody.”


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    Darrell Ward says...

    menthelius, I agree the city should lead the way in demonstrating appropriate irrigation. Hopefully the whole Water Meter thing will push them in that direction.
    rwethereyet - overreacting statements lessen the impact of one's arguments. Do you REALLY think the city should stop watering all sports fields and school fields?? Really?

    Posted on March 25, 2010 @ 9:28 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3553387 

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    menthelius says...

    It would be nice if the city followed the same rules all the rest of us are forced to, but they are too worried about their standing in "communities in bloom" and other crap.

    IF there is such a water crisis, why does the city not become a LEADER in this matter?

    Oh right, hypocrisy is alive and well in city council.

    Posted on March 25, 2010 @ 9:13 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3553380 

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    rwethereyet says...

    Screw public facilities, we are in a water shortage crisis according to the city, shut their taps off, they do not need to water !!!

    I say the city immediately needs to stop all grass watering at schools, parks, and sports fields, that alone will save a LOT of water .

    Posted on March 25, 2010 @ 8:57 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3553369 

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    Darrell Ward says...

    rwethereyet - Way to go being so concerned about who washes their car and when. That's why water meters are a good thing - now YOU don't have to worry about that.;
    And as for who is going to pay for watering our sports fields, schools and parks... huh?
    As a tax payer (I assume you are one) YOU are. That has nothing to do with residential water meters. I can only imagine the uproar of the general public if the city decided to no longer maintain public facilities.

    Posted on March 25, 2010 @ 5:57 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3553313 

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    rwethereyet says...

    Tina, errrrrrrrrrrrrr grouchy, so when are you going to answer my question.

    Oh and another question for ya, are you going to stop washing your car, doing laundry, cleaning dishes, bathing etc.
    If not, your a part of the problem, not the solution.

    Posted on March 24, 2010 @ 1:52 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3545572 

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    menthelius says...

    So councillor "grouchy" is so positive of her views that she uses a user-name to advance her agenda behind the scenes?

    Insulting the citizen voters is not a strategy I am familiar with, but of course nor is lying or stealing candy from babies.

    Posted on March 23, 2010 @ 11:57 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3545369 

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    rwethereyet says...

    So grouchy, who is going to pay the meter bills for all the sports fields, schools, and parks....oh ya and city hall.
    I say we charge each staff member their percentage of the bills, you know the ones that voted yes for the meters.
    Since its such a great idea, I am sure you and the others will not mind, right ?

    Posted on March 23, 2010 @ 9:32 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3545324 

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    EducationEvolved says...

    Hey Smithsonite we have know that for years.

    Posted on March 20, 2010 @ 12:25 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3509411 

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    Smithsonite says...

    No Grouchy is Counselor Tina Lange.

    Posted on March 20, 2010 @ 12:01 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3509408 

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    noidear says...

    Grouchy is giving out councillors??

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 8:25 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3507986 

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    Smithsonite says...

    Dear Grouchy thanks for your comments, or should i say councilor.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 8:05 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3507977 

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    menthelius says...

    "OMG ! Will the fruit cakes ever give up Ben ?"

    I don't know "grouchy" you're still posting...

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 7:51 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3507975 

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    amangitodd says...

    Grouchy I was kidding about the kids, just wanted to put the amount of water required for the tub and what we are alloted into a bit of a perpesctive for some others.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 3:55 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500446 

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    amangitodd says...

    Grouchy I was kidding about the kids, just wanted to put the amount of water required for the tub and what we are alloted into a bit of a perpesctive for some others.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 3:54 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500445 

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    Grouchy says...

    amangitodd, maybe you need to change how you do things. There is no need to use 6 tubs of water a day, change to quick showers instead, or bath every second day. There is no need to bath so often, thats why we have deoderant. And why on earth would you fill your tub ? trying to drown those little ones ?

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 3:36 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500442 

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    Grouchy says...

    RocknRoll, you cannot vote on everything, thats why we elect a council, to make decisions. Maybe you should educate yourself on how the system works.
    And to Smithsonite, businesses and apartment buildings have been on meters for years now and you don't hear them crying do you ? Everyone pays the same. Give it a rest.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 3:32 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500441 

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    amangitodd says...

    Hey bendover,
    A typical sized bathtub uses over 200 liters of water, with the yearly rate we are allowed we can use about 750 liters per day based on this article. I have a bath, my wife has a bath, guess my six kids are sharing the same bath water..

    At any rate..WAY TO GO COUNCIL IT'S ABOUT TIME

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 2:31 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500428 

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    Cdnranger says...

    BenDover, you seem to have all the answers but you fail to ask any questions before stating them.

    Perhaps people that purchase bottled water do not have the same access that you do sitting at home.

    Where else do you get water from when you are traveling, there are very few public water holes.

    Perhaps some people prefer cold water to that sitting in a water bottle for hours.

    Perhaps some are afraid of the disease that lingers at public washrooms

    I guess we could hike down to the river but then the city would have no way to tax us on that.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 2:05 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500420 

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    BenDover says...

    My decimal point was off by one...the average, allowable use is 750 liters per day ( 3.75 - 45 gallon drums) after that, the rate is $1.00 for 5 more drums. That is still a lot of water....and fairly cheap, at that....20 cents a drum...anybody out there buy 500 ml bottles of water for a buck or more? Really good deal, isn't it ? That works out to $400.00 a drum....now you know why every time I see someone buying one, I shake my head...

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 1:35 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500415 

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    Smithsonite says...

    Wanna bet that businesses, get some sort of a discount or break. Council feeds the council that's Kamloops.

    *Kamloops the more I know the more I want to go.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 12:45 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500402 

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    Cdnranger says...

    Darrell Ward, your either losing your train of thought, reminiscing of days gone by or suggesting we shoot water abusers (That might be a good idea)

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 12:39 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500400 

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    BenDover says...

    ...the horse died....( didn't we used to have public companies called BC Gas and BC Hydro ? ) Did I miss a referendum where we could pick and choose what we want to "user-pay" for ?

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 12:36 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500396 

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    RocknRoll says...

    Grouchy says...
    OMG ! Will the fruit cakes ever give up Ben ?
    BenDover says...
    Grow up..get educated... stop posting the same old b******t...

    WOW!!! If you two pulled your heads out of your butts, and read the intent of this post you would have seen, it is not about support or lack of support of the water meters. It’s the process that was used in making the decision.
    What it is regarding is the fact that people were once given the opportunity to express their opinion on this issue and have their voice heard. Now Council and the Mayor took it upon themselves to bypass the voice of the people that was so freely asked for last time, due to the possibility of not getting the answer they so wanted to hear.
    I’m sorry if you cannot grasp this concept and next time I will see if I can draw you a picture with crayons so you may better understand.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 12:34 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500395 

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    Darrell Ward says...

    I believe there was a referendum back in 1912 where everybody decided we should shoot horse thieves, wonder what ever happened to that one...

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 12:24 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500390 

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    Cdnranger says...

    rangerrick? I think I am missing something here?

    Gas and Hydro are not public services already being paid for by tax payers. I do not support user pay for any public service but some of you want to pick and choose what will only be of benefit to yourselves

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 12:16 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 3500387 

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    BenDover says...

    You're starting to sputter and stammer, rangerrick...Good thing we don't have those nasty, undemocratic, city council mandated Gas and Hydro meters. CURSE this user-pay communist conspiracy. Do let us know what else should be or not be user-pay, would you ? Thanks ever so much...( sorry it's so selfish of us to want to save money so we can pay for YOUR excesses...geez, man, grow up or grow OP, whatever...)

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 11:43 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500378 

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    Cdnranger says...

    The people in support of this user pay system are happy because THEY may save some money. Why do they not support other public services becoming user pay? Because in may cost THEM more money.

    What a selfish lot!

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 10:42 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500364 

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    BenDover says...

    As an addendum...7500 liters per day equates to 37 1/2 - 45 gallon drums of water. Go put those in your yard right now and you'll see how badly that dastardly, undemocratic City Council is ripping you off.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 10:21 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500360 

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    BenDover says...

    I'll agree...the first referendum should not have happened. It was a foregone conclusion, a waste of time and money. Unless a referendum is binding and has a time limit, what IS the point ? Do things stay the same forever ?...and saywhat...do the math on exactly how much water is "free"... a thousand liters is 225 gallons ( 5-45 gallon drums) if you use more and have to pay, that extra 1000 liters will cost less than a buck....whoop-dee-doo... The base rate gives you an average of 225,000 liters per month, 7500 liters per day, after that,you pay more. To put things in perspective, I spent 3 seasons as a Forestry Lookout Man in southern Alberta years ago. We got serviced ( food, propane and a 45 gallon drum of water) every TWO weeks. Each lookout in the district also had a rain barrel as well. You learn how to make it last and nobody I remember ever ran out before they got resupplied. Amazing what can be done when it has to be.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 10:13 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500358 

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    Dutch says...

    In an effort to help people understand what this means to them, here is my experience: I built a new house and the city gave me a water meter to install. I have a typical single family house, and my lawn and garden sprinklers are on a timer. My lot is less than 1000 square metres and I use the typical amount of 270,000 litres per year. I will save money on the new plan.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 10:01 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500355 

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    saywhat says...

    Well,I guess you guys got what you wanted.You might even be right.I have to admit that I was surprised by how much water is gone through in a year.It's a real eye opener.I think that the government should stop doing referendums as it's obviously a waste of time.The next time it might be something you are against and then we'll see what you say.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 9:31 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500346 

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    noidear says...

    This is a case of bad leadership...IN THE PAST. There never should have been a referendum on this issue, and I really wish people would stop using the fact that some past council called one as an excuse to badmouth and penalize this council.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 9:30 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500345 

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    Grouchy says...

    OMG ! Will the fruit cakes ever give up Ben ?

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 8:43 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500326 

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    BenDover says...

    Grow up..get educated... stop posting the same old b******t...

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 7:49 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500314 

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    RocknRoll says...

    “There’s lots of little steps left. It’s about making this a fair system for everybody.”

    What a joke. I believe the first step in this "fair system" was the referendum that was held and the people spoke they did not want a water meter system.

    What ever happened to Democracy?

    Unfortunately this Mayor still has more than enough time in his term to screw with the people even more.

    Posted on March 18, 2010 @ 7:13 am PST | Report post to Editor | 3500304 

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