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    COUNCIL COMMENT — Motorcycles: how loud is too loud?

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    “I have often lamented that we cannot close our ears with as much ease as we can our eyes.”

    — Richard Steele

    Sometimes a sincere question can result in a news item. Coun. Pat Wallace knows this as well as anyone. When she was asked by a resident about excessive motorcycle noise she was also advised that the City of Edmonton had passed its own bylaw regulating noisy vehicles (including motorcycles).

    This, in turn, was interpreted by some as the City embarking on new noise regulations including a crackdown on motorcyclists. I’ve already seen a couple of angry letters to the editor basically asserting that Kamloops has started on this regulatory path. In reality, this matter has not progressed beyond the level of a councillor enquiry.

    As creatures of provincial statute, municipalities in Alberta can have different roles and responsibilities versus cities and towns in British Columbia. Edmonton appears to have the right to regulate motorcycle noise and their web page makes it clear that motorcycles cannot be louder than 92 decibels at idle and 95 decibels at 2000 rpm.

    When it comes to the control of motor vehicles, municipalities have certain delegated powers in British Columbia. However, they mostly relate to the placement of traffic lights, other traffic control devices and speed (school) zone limits. Authority for vehicle noise appears to remain with the province. The Motor Vehicle Act regulations state: “A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler consisting of a series of pipes or chambers which ensures that the exhaust gases from the engine are cooled and expelled without excessive noise.”

    The legislation goes on to define excessive noise (for a motorcycle) as that exceeding 91 decibels. The legislation makes no distinction between noise at idle and when the engine is turning faster. This measure is generally taken from a distance of one meter from the exhaust out port. In addition, vehicle owners are not allowed to operate without a connected muffler and the removal of baffles or other parts from the muffler is prohibited.

    So, the short answer to Pat’s question is that the City of Kamloops probably can’t draft its own vehicle noise bylaw but the existing regulations in our province are already stricter than what has been enacted in Edmonton.

    The city does have a general noise bylaw that deals with a wide array of situations from loud music to construction activity. We don’t spell out measured decibel levels from a prescribed distance. I won’t go into that in any detail, but it is available on the City of Kamloops web page.

    The next obvious question is what 91 decibels means in real world terms. WorkSafe BC, formerly known as the Workers Compensation Board, gives us some real world examples of noise exposure that can serve as a benchmark. Hearing protection is mandatory for any worker exposed to noise levels above 82 decibels because long term, unprotected exposure to sound levels above this level can result in hearing damage.

    Also, decibel measurement is on a logarithmic scale, not on a straight line scale. What this means is that each jump in decibel level represents a more significant jump in noise level.

    A typical conversation with somebody facing you at a distance of one meter produces sound pressure (expressed as dbA) of 40 – 60 decibels. Kitchen workers in a fast food restaurant are exposed to noise averaging around 81 decibels. A road construction labourer averages noise exposure of 86 decibels and a typical building construction worker faces noise levels at around 90 decibels, which is basically the loudest noise level at which a motorcycle is permitted to operate. So if a motorcycle sounds louder than a busy construction site, it is probably operating outside the noise regulations in the Motor Vehicle Act.

    Workers operating machinery like rock crushers or jackhammers are routinely exposed to noise levels above 100 decibels and the generally accepted noise level where hearing damage is possible after even a few hours is 120 decibels. This is the sound level directly in front of the speakers at a major rock concert. Most people start to experience pain when exposed to noise levels above 125 decibels. In case you were interested (and I hope you never experience it first hand), a stun grenade produces sound at about 175 decibels.

    We don’t generally tell our local RCMP how to do their job but I would be interested in knowing how important vehicle noise levels are to you. Should we be equipping our police officers with more sound meters and requesting this be treated as a priority? I would appreciate hearing from you …. but not louder than 50 decibels or so.

    jofee@kamloops.ca


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    NotScaredOfBlindPeople says...

    91 decibels can still clearly be heard within a vehicle or with your windows/doors open. Suck it up.

    Some of these same people will be out mowing their lawns at 6-7-8 am, I know for a fact one senior on Holt in the Northshore, fills his lawn mower up with fuel and lets it idle empty when he goes out to protest his neighbors enjoying their backyards.

    Yes, we all start as kids, then grow into adults, where we slowly degenerate into children again. Plenty of "Mature" adults are so prefect they never stop to question their actions, or motives.

    Posted on August 2, 2010 @ 2:38 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4369769 

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    YourMom says...

    Honestly, how badly do you need to have a super loud bike? "safety?" how about learn to ride your bike a little better. You want them to hear you? Try a horn morons... maybe try not ripping up from behind on someone on the highway doing a buck eighty and trying to pass them.... Its not just motorcyclists either. And yes, anyone who has ever had a POS car with no muffler can probably tell you theyve been pulled over and issued a warning to fix the problem... even a headlight or tailight out. Obviously they arent going to catch every speeder or noisemaker, but it is a deterrent. I understand you love your bikes and i agree its fun... but be considerate. Save it for the highway... tired of hearing you gun your engines in residential/commercial areas. This reminds me of a particular south park episode. In the end, we all know you are all doing it for one reason alone... you want to be cool. Why cant you just be happy enjoying the ride and the friendships... thats what makes it cool... when you start annoying the community... youre no longer cool and most of us arent looking at you because we think youre cool, we think of that south park episode.

    Posted on August 1, 2010 @ 3:10 am PST | Report post to Editor | 4365983 

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    bzzhuh says...

    I hate loud motorcycles, doesn't everyone? I accept that it's an annoyance I just have to deal with, same as hundreds of other annoyances. Really it's no big deal... I have one on my block; the guy annoys me every second day just so he can enjoy the sound of it idling. My wife and I rant about it and laugh and we feel better - problem solved.

    I don't like it but I don't really care that much. I just posted to say that most of the people with a strong enough opinion to post a comment are going to be against it, so it's probably not really a reliable representation of public opinion.

    Posted on July 31, 2010 @ 9:43 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4365955 

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    aged says...

    "Problem motorcycles" in compliance? Keep testing and calibrate your meter to show 81 db.

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 9:50 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4362456 

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    aged says...

    Owners of vehicles driving "drunk" with their noise of over 91 db and placing the public health and safety at risk deserve a one year prohibition.

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 9:35 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4362454 

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    aged says...

    Seriously, "drunk" is not a reference solely attributed to one that consumes alchohol.

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 9:13 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4362451 

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    aged says...

    There is no testing!

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 9:04 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4362450 

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    aged says...

    Wow. Tough question poster. What if huh? Problem motorcycles don't get tested let alone problem vehicles.

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 8:58 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4362449 

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    nasty canasta says...

    What if,the rcmp were to test these "problem motorcycles",and find them in compliance with existing laws mentioned of 91 dcb's?

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 8:38 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4362447 

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    nasty canasta says...

    What if,the rcmp were to test these "problem motorcycles",and find them in compliance with existing laws mentioned of 91 dcb's?

    Posted on July 30, 2010 @ 8:20 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4361635 

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    factchecker21 says...

    Motorcycles with modified pipes are too loud as are cars with music cranked right up. Basically, if the sound penetrates glass and is of a volume which bothers people in houses and offices it is TOO loud.

    The safety justification is a red hearing. Motorcycles which make that much noise can NOT be located by sound because the sound bounces off buildings, hills, etc. making it impossible to locate the source by sound alone. Also, loud pipes mask the sound of sirens which can be a potential problem.

    I would still like to see all of the proponents of loud pipes and loud music suddenly face migraines when exposed to their noise pollution. Then, maybe, they will start respecting other people's right to peace and quiet.

    Posted on July 29, 2010 @ 10:31 am PST | Report post to Editor | 4352821 

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    aged says...

    UBCM should lobby the Provincial Government to bring the Noise Law under the MVA to the Municipal Government level in order for By-Law Officers to enforce newly created noise by-laws.

    Posted on July 26, 2010 @ 4:32 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4336088 

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    aged says...

    John, when was the last time the RCMP blew the dust from the meters they already have? Don't pass a motion to buy them meters when it is the RCMP responsibility to up-hold and enforce Provincial and Federal Laws. Increased enforcement has to start from enforcment and the RCMP are not enforcing Provincial Noise Laws. Try this, a joint effort, or dry-run involving By-Law Officers, CVSE and local RCMP Traffic division pulling over noisy vehicles and testing them. Bringing awareness to residents with noisy vehicles may just bring a few around to see the point of what we are saying. Did you read, "Protect us from spring Harley's" printed by the KDN in April of this year? Should a motion be passed, ask that a letter to the RCMP be written with the understanding that Council and Residents are wishing for greater enforcment on this matter. No harm done and no one is telling the RCMP how to do their job. A simple letter with a please and a thank-you. Thank-you.

    Posted on July 26, 2010 @ 3:18 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4336084 

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    dorite says...

    Good column, John.

    It sounds like Kamloops does not require a vehicle noise bylaw, but could ask the RCMP to enforce the provincial regulation. I believe there is a definite need, and would agree with council pursuing better enforcement. Some motorcycles (and in particular driver behavior)are so annoying, without any respect for residents and the general public.

    I too have read some recent postings, and am surprised at the arrogance and disrespect of some of those posters. They simply don't get it that they are the cause of more regulation and enforcement - and they make it more difficult for the responsible riders.

    I viewed a segment on this subject on Global TV about 2 years ago. Van Police were pulling over, measuring, warning, and ticketing offending drivers. So it is not new in BC.

    Thanks for your interest, and the opportunity for input. Good Luck !!

    Posted on July 26, 2010 @ 2:45 pm PST | Report post to Editor | 4336079 

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    wildlifegirl76 says...

    I, for one, HATE the loud motorcycles, and loud cars and trucks. While sitting on a restaurant patio on Victoria Street Friday evening, we were blasted several times by motorcycles and trucks with modified mufflers, who chose to punch it right by the patio. It's not only irritating it actually is painful to listen to. I am fairly sensitive to noise (ear issues) and I have to plug my ears when these go by so it doesn't actually physically hurt my ears.

    If motorcycles are concerned about being noticed on the road, get a flickering headlight - those get my attention more than a loud motorcycle, which you can't hear IN your car until they're right by you. I've come across a fatal motorcycle accident and recently lost someone I know to a careless driver turning in front of his motorbike, so I fully understand and appreciate wanting to stay safe, but use visuals, not sounds. It may not be very "cool", but I've seen quite a few motorcyclists wearing bright visibility vests and jackets. I think being alive is cooler than being dead, but hey, that's just me.

    The truck/car people have no excuse, other than, well, some major "compensating" going on.

    (Sorry if this gets posted multiple times. It keeps timing me out!)

    Posted on July 26, 2010 @ 11:38 am PST | Report post to Editor | 4336055 

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    jofee says...

    There are provincial noise regulations for all kinds of vehicles but I chose to keep the column focus to motorcycles as that was where the enquiry began. I suppose the issue could be expanded to increased enforcement against noisy vehicles generally.

    Posted on July 26, 2010 @ 10:50 am PST | Report post to Editor | 4336052 

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    Grouchy says...

    What would be the point John ? While the RCMP do a great job on crime, they seem to not have the manpower or any interest in enforcing traffic and other " less important " laws. All you would be doing is spending money on another piece of equipment that most likely would not see the outside of an RCMP cruiser's trunk. And you cannot just single out motorcycles, you have to enforce the existing bylaw fairly for everyone.Loud cars, boom box systems in cars, trucks ( some semi's run straight pipes for the extra power and fuel savings ). I can't count the number of blatant instances of traffic violations I have seen ( done right in front of a Mounty ) that have been ignored by the cops.So how are you going to get them to enforce a bylaw ?

    Posted on July 26, 2010 @ 6:57 am PST | Report post to Editor | 4336028 

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