thanks mags,pressman and everyone who looks at my father as a person and not a drug addicted criminal. i dont care what bad choices people make in life. nobody is perfect. like these two cops they fuked up and they will pay for their actions just like my dad payed for all the times he made a mastake. buy going to jail. where everyone hates cops ha ha ha.

There are so many comments on here I can't even read them all.
RIP to the guy who parished. I hope the rcmp have all their I's dotted and T's crossed. It would seem to me this is the second time in the past couple of months they have shot someone who has threatened them with their vehicle whether it be stolen or not......

I wish the RCMP would just hurry up and let us know what really happened. No matter what the outcome its a shame he had to die! I knew Mr.Bartley (aka WEBB) for years , sure he had a criminal record for a bit of this and a bit of that. But never did he cause direct harm or was a threat to anyone that i know of. I remember him putting a smile on everyone's face that was around him, always willing to give or lend a hand. He had alot of energy, most of it fueled his sence of humor and ! He had alot of friends back home here, and every last one of them will forever love and miss him! Our hearts go out to the family.
RIP Webb
Your in gods hands now.

Don't worry Cathy everyone is entitled to an opinion. People like ryderhard never even knew Webb, so who cares what he has to say.

No Ryderhard, I can tell you of an instance where an RCMP was ready to pull his gun on me and my friend for an illegal stop and search in the middle of nowhere between Merrit and Kamloops. My partner and I were just heading home from a business meeting in Vancouver. We were not in violation of any law, our vehicle was fairly new and mechanically sound, but this cowboy thought he was going to play "Military Checkstop" with us. From that experience, I can tell you that you should never want to be caught alone or out of camera range with ANY RCMP member. Oh and did I mention the language coming out of his mouth would even take a trucker another 5 years to learn... definately not becoming of what should be "To Serve and to Protect" Go ahead and live in YOUR dream world Ryderhard. You are just a naive innocent babe if you think you are 100% safe standing next to an - and this chokes me - Officer of the Law.

Protect and to serve is the motto not SHOOT TO KILL. If anything, we have other tools called the justice system aka court, spike strips and Tazers. Shooting is a last resort and the shot if required is to wound. Just to incapacitate the suspect. Inappropriate behaviour from my fellow comrades. Completely saddened and dissappointed in the events that transpired. My heart goes out to the family and my sincere apology for the few who makes us look bad.

Why is it that the RCMP are always getting a bad rap. They are doing the job they were trained to do,which happens to be protecting all of us. They are in the line of fire all the time, having to deal with the drunks, the drug dealers, the nut cases, accidents, suidides, robberies, you name it and they do it, they risk there own lives everyday to do good. As for the Calgary police being called in to help with the investigation, that's a good thing. There is no cover up here. Those officers should be commended for ensuring the safety of other people. As for the mother of the man shot, I feel sorry for you, but your son obviously had several issues that you had no control over. Hats off to the RCMP !!

Some coward posted that I have the ability to shut down conversation on this forum (I must be Superman then), if that is the case, then this is one conversation that NEEDS to be shut down.

Emotions are running high, insults are flying, and the language is becoming repugnant.

Please everyone, let this conversation END!

There are no facts here, only speculation and innuendo, ass-umptions only.

I am no great fan of the RCMP, but let them do their jobs, let the family grieve PLEASE!

If there is a shred of compassion in some of your hearts, just let this GO!

Just smoke another joint Crissy. The paranoia will go away after you pass out and wake up and a moment of clarity will enter your mind before you light up another one.....

Just picture yourself coming out of a store, say perhaps having your foot slip of the brake pedal and oops...back into someone elses car by accident. God F'n hlep you if it's...oh say...an unmarked police car because I'm sad to say buddy it's gonna be: "Bang bang you're dead!" Now because this fella had a criminal record it makes things so convenient for the trigger happy gistapos that call themselves RCMP...cuz now they can say he...and this is really stretching it....tried to kill them with his vehicle...next victim please.....

joe youre a moron. Maybe youre drug free and dont steal but i doubt employers are lining up for your services "looser". you cant even spell, on a computer, which actually fixes your spelling mistakes for you. Wow. Your solution is to place all the blame on the individual. If stopping crime was as simple as just taking these individuals off the street there wouldnt be anymore crime. The truth is, you and most people commenting here are from the mainstream privledged side of society with little to no understanding of the forces of marginalization at work here. You obviously carry huge prejudice and bias and are simply a part of the problem you ignorant tool.
its also interesting to see how "cold" u all are when in reality youre probably cowards perpetuating a society where not everyone is allowed to participate fully as you are or have the same access and opportunities as you. This guy who died, guaranteed, has a greater understanding of these marginalized forces and privledges than you will ever have. Its morons like you who consistently contribute peoples actions soley based on their personalities and "who they are" instead of accepting responsibility for your part, everyone's part, in many of the problems we as a society face. You talk a big game but youre a little wimp sittin there with only enough courage to point a finger and do nothing else.
Im not defending this dead guy at all, im looking at the issue and this is not an isolated incident. THis is SOCIETY's problem and if you are apart of it it's yours too, meaning you carry the same responsibility as the rest of us. By labelling criminals and perpetuating the predjudice you are only supporting the violence and crime dipsh1t, and segregating the population... creating a more "us versus them" mentality further pushing them to the margins of our society where they cant find work or find the support they need to gain the social capital required to survive legally in our society. Youre so uninformed, uneducated, and biased it's embarassing. Many of you take on extremist additudes and i believe its your lack on intelligence and ability to think critically which leads you down that path. Youre frustrated because you cannot understand how society really works, so you just jump on a bandwagon and tow the line. Grow up. Youre talking from a place of privledge and failing to accomplish anything but being a troll who seeks to spread its misinformation, fear, and hate to the rest of the population. FORTUNATELY, there are those of us who actually paid attention in school and have a bigger picture of whats happening other than "HYUCK, what a looser, wtf LOL that guy deserved it".

@BazookaJoe

We will see if your singing the same tune or at all, when Murphy's Law, and Kharma visit you. Won't be long with your wonderful attitude.

JoeBlows seams more appropreate.

@BazookaJoe

We will see if your singing the same tune or at all, when Murphy's Law, and Kharma visity you. Won't be long with your wonderful attitude.

JoeBlows seams more appropreate.

every life has value. if you do not know that bazookajoe, then you are a nincompoop. :)

This is really simple: you play with fire, you are gonna get burned. 'Nuff said.

Hey Risa,

I lived in Kamloops for nearly 2 decades and still have family there.

Therefore, I fear for their safety and that of the community, as well as yours.

The crime rate and drug abuse has skyrocketed and the RCMP are doing their best to maintain what is left of the local society.

Job Well Done, Simple As That ! !

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criminals, druggies, thiefs, loosers, it's called KARMA hahaha, if your not willing to pay then don't play, i say job well done by RCMP.1 less looser addict, thief off the streets, WTF gives those kinda of ppl to walk into a store and terrorize someone who's just working for a living and get away with it. " LMFAO...I THINK NOT! ! i think all loosers on welfare should have to take a drug test just like at alot of jobs do now, i gurantee you 90% of u would get DICK, which is the way it should be.GET A F#@$#KING LIFE LOOSERS ! ! ! ! !

BazookaJoe what are you on buddy maybe we need less cold hearted people like you. i hope something happens to yo. you think your so funny calling him down but really i wold like you to say that to some ones face that dis likes what you said. it doesn't take much to write the [expletive] you are on the comp but if it came down to it you would go run in a lil whole where you should be. COME ON POEPLE please somone tell me they Havnt made a mistake in there life and sit there and wish they could go back, so why dont you give your air head a shake. and why you blaming his sister and family what the F^%K are they going to do its not there life people need to do stuff on there own. I hate people like you that just think your sh*t dont stink. i have one word for you GROW UP

As I said previously we should not make conclusions until the story comes out. I do however have one question. Why are police from another province that have no jurisdiction here investigating this? What's wrong with Vancouver, Delta, West Vancouver, Abbotsford and whatever. Already this is looking questionable.

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-50199520100717

A quote from history "Those who blindly followed authority, were generally the first ones in the oven".

Anyone know what is happening in France, because of a similar incident. Not so pretty over there right now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10679297

In most situations in life whether your a victim or the perp the RCMP are always involved with the situation. I deal with them on a regular basis and trust me when i say they are very cold and have an ego you wouldn't believe. I have dealt with family members of police that all have the same story "they can't separate home from work" I don't feel this attitude is necessary to police a society and It needs to change quickly because over my career it has only gotten worse, way worse! To a guy like "Bazookajoe" (name says it all) you are obviously clue;less as to what the real world holds, from a victims stand point usually the headache starts when police get involved because there is zero compassion therefor inappropriate actions that scar people. Watch the news, check stats, even youtube police misconducts. The police force needs to revamp there conduct in order to gain public approval, as it stands there support is slowly dwindelling and nobody wants that to happen.


I'm not saying this in support of this criminal, i have no opinion or information about this incident. It just blows my mind people are praising the RCMP for shooting someone, I'll guarantee they aren't even praising each other. Just a bunch of wannabees.

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GEEEEEEEEEEZ, Pull Ur Head Out Of Ur F#$^%#@g Ass, What flavour CRACK are you on? LMAO, U Must have a brain the size of a " FRUIT FLY" I love how some of u people WITH NO LIFE, ADDICTS, DRUNKS, DEALERS, DRUGS, Theifs, LOOSERS, GOOD FOR NOTHING WASTED PIECE OF SKIN TAKIN UP SPACE, Have got nothing better to do then CALL ALL THE COPS DOWN BUT WHEN U NEED THEM UR SURE QUICK TO F@$#%ING CALL THEM AREN'T YA.THEY PUT UP WITH SO MUCH S#@T IN A DAY, He got what he deserved and too bad a whooooooooooooole lot more CRIMINALS LIKE HIM aren't taken out too. The world would sure be a happier place. pretty bad when u need bars on ur windows and doors and still not feel safe in your own home. That's What Happens "WHEN U PLAY U PAY" SUCKS TO BE THEM, but they no right from wrong. 50 yrs old and A F@#%$KING DRUG DEALER, ADDICT CRIMINAL PERIOD. REAL GOOD ROLE MODELS THEY R HEY. hahahaahhahahahahaah

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I would like to say thank you to the RCMP for doing a couragous (sp) job in protecting the lives of everyone else.

I find it funny that some of you computer chair critics have the brains to say they should have taken a few more seconds to think of another way to resolve the issue without shooting. The officers felt that lethal force was needed to bring the indicent to a conclusion and that is what they did. So a criminal died. Only ones weeping over it is his family. The rest of us can breathe a little better knowing that there is one less criminal on the streets.

The question we need to ask is, why did he need to rob another store before that ? needed drugs ? or to pay back money he owned someone. Why wasnt his family there to help him with money? Cathy can you fill us in on that ? You say your brother was a good man, but you seem to forget he is a criminal. Are you ok with him being a criminal ? What about the victims of your brother? were they not brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, niece or nephews of someone ?? Think about that one Cathy. I am glad your brother is dead, at 50 years of age, he isnt going to change his behavour.

Now Kamloops can rest easy that there is one less criminal on the streets.

Kudos to the RCMP officers that put their lives on the line to protect us law abiding citizens.

condolences to the family, not for me to write a word about a situation nobody here has a clue what really happened.
however, i find the responses by various posters to each other disturbing and revolting. are there not other forums or pro-cop anti-cop sites for some of you to infest. whenever somebody gets murdered nary a word from the anti cop side unless it involves a cop, sad really, but not surprising as some just hate anything to do with authority. meanwhile the pro cop people believe the police can do no wrong, this is not the case in all situations. to jump to conclusions in this case shows little respect for the human side of this story. silly how some of you have resorted to name calling or saying things like i hope you rot, geez get together and pound on each other for awhile, get the rage out.

WOW! I can't believe how cold some of you are! Nobody except those cops will ever know what exactly happened...That's just the way they work and they will NEVER sacrifice their reputation for a life, especially in a time when they are so scrutinized. They are in that line of work because they are a breed of their own...just like the a%^#holes that are posting on here. No matter what the situation is with the life he was living he is leaving loved ones behind and you people should rot for your disrespect to them.



Cathy, It is absolutely imperative that you listen to wizerfool. These days before and after are the ones that are going to be branded in your mind for life. focus on the good... You mentioned that there are children involved with your brothers life, I don't know if i should do this over here, but i can offer myself to them for a little guidance and perspective when the time is right. ( no charge ) you can contact me at spsk22@gmail.com I will be out of province until next week and away from my computer as well but will contact you as soon as possible. If not me please find some help for them to get through this. Go to their doctor and they will give you the directions for help. My hearts with you all!

Bartley is well-known to police and has a lengthy criminal history, including numerous convictions for property- and drug-related offenses — including a one-year jail term in 2006 after he was caught with 400 grams of crystal meth. --------------------- Now the law abiding public is safe from his evil ways.

Ryder....

Yes, I have already stated, that it is terrible what he did. Perhaps the RCMP were right to do as they did, perhaps they were wrong.
They could have done soemthing besides shooting him Four (that's what I have heard) times in the head. He was trapped, and he drove into the shop AFTER the shooting.

They could have done somethign else. Called backup. Threatened him. There was no discretion. Just Bang, Bang, Bang and another life lost.
The title of this news article is
THe Identity Is Not Yet Confirmed!
How do you KNOW for absolute SURE that he was a criminal?? Perhaps he was mistaken for one. Perhaps he was one. Perhaps he was just caught in the mistake. Fight or Flight, human nature.

There are two sides to every story. We hear the cops side, the investigators side and the bystanders side......the one side we will never hear is his. So how do we know what we are readng and being told is the truth?
The media lies sometimes.

And Oh? You're in florida? My, why cause stress on this communities' news, when you have your own? Get lost in the mainstream internet, or just decided to pick a town, any town, and voice her lovely opinions to lose who...don't really care when it comes down to it?

I find it amazing to see that the focus of this forum is so focused on he was a bad guy or he was innocent. what ever happened to focusing on a system that could actually help people. ie: actually some time in jail, stiffer sentences, stiffer consequences. its illogical to think someone can be in the wrong place 3 times in a row. 3 strikes you are out.

i know it is hard for the family who are hurting because of this fellow's death. i am sure each and every one of us have a lost soul in our family. every hooker has a mom, or is a mom, or is a grandchild. think about it. we all come from some where.

what we need is to be able to stop the violence, clean up the drugs and take our city back. this means support from the city, the province and the country. dont close our jails, lets use them to help people come out and not be institutionalized, help them learn to be productive taxing paying citizens. turning them lose after 30 days is a joke. they've not learned anything, and they have only have a bit of a repreave from everything going on out here.

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To Risa and Cathy, how would you feel if Willy killed a young mother and a newborn baby who were strolling down the street when he decided to think of NOBODY but himself when he was up to no good ?

The guy thumbed his nose at society, and the idea that to be a good citizen that he had to abide by the rules that are set by GOOD CITIZENS.

What good did he ever do for the community by selling drugs and poisoning his buyers ?

What do you consider what a 'good guy' is ?

Rapist ?

Drug dealer ? Murderer ? Pedophile ? Thief ?

You should come to Florida to learn what we do to people like this.

Most of them never see a courtroom, let alone being protected buy good people like the RCMP.

Willy got shot for a reason, and it wasn't a game.

We as a people are so desensitized by the death of those around us.
It is just a breath upon this world that we overlook.

Perhaps, yes, this man was a criminal, but perhaps he wasn't. He was a person, a being upon this same world as all of us. He is made up of bones and skin, heart and mind. Perhaps he made a bad choice, perhaps he was just mixed in the Fight or Flight insticts that are in every single one of us.
He made a bad choice, and was caught for it. What would you do in the same spot? Really? What would you do. Look within yourself and honestly answer. Honestly.

I did not know him personally, but I still feel for this man, no matter his decisions. I was in the crowd after it happened. I heard the cries towards the cops 'Murders! Murders!!' I heard the jokes of those around me. JOKES! I heard the murmur, the disregard for this human life.
People were more concerned over if the shop would stay open, than this man.
People were more concerned over taxpayer money than this man.

And I was disgusted with those around me. As Cathy has said, as others have pointed out. What if this man was your family? What if he was your brother, son or father? Forget his discions! Forget that he might be a criminal...he is a human being. There should not have been jokes on the scene. There should not have been anything but sadness.

Death is but a whisper in which we ignore....

" Ryderhard says...

...but the guy was a CRIMINAL with a mindset to KILL."

You're absolutely right about that, the only sad part is this criminal will get away with murder because his brand of organized crime is legal as an RCMP officer.

Cathy, listen to Wizerfool, he no fool. All your doing by reading here is hurting yourself more. Condolences on the loss of your brother.

@Cathy (victim's sister)

If you are still reading these posts, PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, STOP!!

Those posting derogatory and inflammatory comments, do so because they have no appreciation of how quickly and easily ANY human soul can fall into unfortunate circumstances. You don't have to be evil or hellbent to find yourself in a life you would never have chosen...just a few dumb decisions away for ANYONE!! "but by the grace of God..." is the absolute truth.

Cathy, close your browser and don't go on Kamloops news sites anymore until this is long over. Cherish the good memories you have and the person you know him to be!!

Peace and Comfort to your whole family.

it sure seems like a lot of the people posting comments apparently witnessed what happended, also i can't be sure but i'm guessing the two undercover officers weren't dressed in suits and ties, they most likely looked like bikers or gangsters, so i think if they came running towards me with guns i would have tried to run them down

get your f&^%ing head out of your a$$ really thinking he is scum well you are scum for saying s$*t like that like how old are you guys think about it he was a person who messed up and they cops didn't have to shoot him i wish he hit them 2 less trigger happy retards think of it that way look on the news cops think there too cool cause they have a gun but they pushed that old lady for no reason. just cause they have a badge doesn't mean they are god they do same s&it addicts do. anyone that thinks this is funny what happened to him maybe it should of happened to you. pretty sure you wouldn't be saying GOOD shot than would yea

I just realized I'd put the wrong last name on my previous post, should have read Wilbert Bartley...my bad.

where is the information? we deserve to know what happened. why is the public being kept in the dark? that is what i want tomn know

Also the two officers that did the shooting, were not supposed to alter the scene. Other investigating, uniformed officers were the ones supposed to investigate the scene. Removing any possible evidence is tampering with the case.

Two undercover police man quickly approached the ther rear of the mans vehicle as he was backing out, in unmarked police cars. This boy did not assault a police officer due to this technicality.
Yet this is how it was reported "assaulting a police officer".

All witnesses say the forward acceleration was post shooting. People can't really be expected to be a safe driver with bullets in the cranium, not to mention the fact it wasen't possibly a getaway.

So yes let have the details first befor we make any decisions. These details above are why things are up in the air today.

*witness statements like "He's wasen't a rookie and he wasen't a seasoned officer" is utterly [expletive] and meant to protect the officers involved. Not, to mention that the witnesses are not allowed to tell their version of the story, until the "investigation is complete", or should we say the shooting is sewn up officially.


Make this a poll.

If you were at the store and 2 men approached your vehicle (not in uniform). Would you assume they were police or trouble.

Was it really necessary to shoot the guy in the head ???

Folks, we should all withold comments until the official story comes out. None of us know what really happened. If he did ram the police vehicle then they were justified. But let's first hear what they say.

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WTF......STOP trying to justify what this looser did. Oh To Funny, Maybe he backed into them by accident, Did U Just Fall off the turnup truck, LMAO, your not the coldest beer in the fridge now are ya. HE DESERVED WHAT HE GOT AND WE HAVE 1 LESS CRIMINAL, DRUG ADDICT OFF THE STREETS.The RCMP Were doing their job. Don't forget, you can call them down forever BUT WHEN U NEED THEM, YOU SURE DON"T HESITATE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THEM DO YOU, AND THEY PROTECT YA, EVEN IF YOUR AN A#$#@%HOLE. THEY DID Exactley What They Should Of. Think Of All The @#$#holes They Have To Put Up With In 1 Fkn Day,Think of the person who was working when he robbed them, anybody stop to think of what he put that person through. HE WAS A DRUG ADDICT, HE SHOULD HAVE GOT A REAL JOB TO SUPPORT HIS ADDICTION. It"S SCUM LIKE HIM THAT MAKE THE REST OF US FEEL UNSAFE IN OUT OWN HOMES.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Police investigating police is a friggen joke,

Comments that seems to pop up far to often is the person was known to police , Does that mean that it is ok to kill that person if there was a altercation , I would hardly think so , But seems to be the trend. As for shooting anyone while they are driving id ridiculous as , Again the RCMP are very fortunate that there was no one injured or killed in the coffee shop , As it could have been anyone of us in that building..
There are far to many killings taken place by the RCMP and other forces and a total review of there polices brandishing there guns is required ..
This comment is not bashing police but is common knowledge .

I find it hilarious to read all of the "experts" opinions on this matter, from the hardcore police hating bias to stereotyping a criminal. Yo, my favourite part was when dude down there says the cops just started letting off rounds because he backed into the van... so he backed into the van and then crashed head on into a store.... because when you back into someone at like 25 km an hour the next thing u should do is tear off in the other direction. He knew it was a police car... why do you think they were there to begin with? The guy made a mistake... he ran. Of course, these arent exactly facts, but if u use a little common sense(which apparently isnt so common) you might see this for what it is. Its unfortunate the guy decided to rob a store for like maybe 200 dollars and died for it. If anything, feel bad that a man gets to that point of desperation that he would go to that much trouble for 200 dollars. So, instead of being so westernized about the issue, maybe take a good hard look at yourselves and the rest of the society we live in and maybe think about the external forces at work here. If you treat criminals as less than human then thats probably all theyre ever going to be. A lot of people out there are desperate and need help and support from the community as a whole so the entire community can grow together and incidents such as this could be avoided in the future. To all the people saying "GOOD, great shot!"... Pretty pointless and immature, but people act like that when they have a hard time dealing with their emotions. How many of you have children, friends, family... whoever.. involved in or has been involved in some sort of criminal activity? Maybe theyve turned their lives around now... but it could have easily been them in that SUV. The guy wasnt a murderer, rapist, or anything like that, he was just trying to get by and made some poor choices and ended up in a very bad situation. The loss of life is never something to celebrate and I think those who choose to are just trying to cope with life and the stuff we see on the news and on the street day after day. I can guarantee celebrating this man's death isnt going to improve anyone's situation, including your own.

Oh good! Thanks for clarifying. It would be awful for an innocent bystander to be hurt/killed. It will be interesting to read the details when they are released. I find it hard to believe that this man was shot just for backing into a police vehicle.

There was no one killed behind 7-11 other wise that would have been blocked off too. That's where they were detouring traffic through. It was just someone jumping to conclusions just like most of you. Wait till the solid evidence comes out before jumping to conclusions. I have just read 4 different stories published in the papers and they all clashed with each other. And I agree with the people that actually feel for the family. I did have a chance to get to know him and he really was a very nice guy. So instead keep the negative comments to yourself until the all the facts are out and proven. Maybe he did what some are saying. Maybe he was just like a lot of other people that I've seen that back up with out looking!

I really, really, really hope it's just a rumor :O(

"HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED.GIVE UR HEAD A SHAKE, THINK ABOUT IT. IT"S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, HELLO ????????????"
and what do YOU deserve? :)

OMFG......They Need to take out more CRIMINALS, DRUG ADDICTS, THIEFS, AND HOLY I HOPE THERE WAS NO ONE KILLED BEHIND 7-11. HE WAS SURE SCARED AND RUNNING FOR SOME REASON, YA THINK??????????????????

"What gets my goat is the fact that you'd probably be criticizing them for NOT shooting at the guy if an innocent bystander had gotten killed by his actions."

There was a facebook group started that says "my god willy was shot due 2 the fact he hit and killed a girl walking behind 7/11 thats wen rcmp tryed stop him and end up shot 2 kill". I don't know if it's true or not, it just popped up on my newsfeed. Time will tell I guess...I certainly hope that there weren't two lives lost in all of this.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=138982676136700

I guess Wilbert Wheatly wasn't such a great guy after all. prison time, addict, allegedly shot at police officer etc. Looks like he finally found religion...9mms worth....sad.

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HE was a CRIMINAL, Into Drugs And Theft and was putting innocent peoples life at risk. HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED.GIVE UR HEAD A SHAKE, THINK ABOUT IT. IT"S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, HELLO ????????????

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cathy me and mom and my family knew him he was a great guy and if there is anything we can do to help just say. and too all the others that thinks this is good you really have to be messed up no one should die.

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Great guys don't commit robberies and threaten the lives of peace officers. He was shot and he deserved it.

If anybody is interested, try this address, it's from another news site:
http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/news/99674939.html

Seems the deceased had just robbed the Robo ESSO convenience store and was chased around the block back to the crime scene.

cathy me and mom and my family knew him he was a great guy and if there is anything we can do to help just say. and too all the others that thinks this is good you really have to be messed up no one should die. like i hope you guys feel good about your self cause his family is reading this and you really think they want to read you s%*^ no so keep it to your self cause it doesnt really matter anyways.

I dont think anyone should be judging anyone. The whole story isnt out yet.
Ryderhard, I can see why ppl are lashing out at you. You said that its his familys fault? For not teaching him right from wrong? How do you know? He chose his own path. He was a adult and made his own choices. Speaking as a parent, I DO teach my kids right from wrong, are they always going to listen? No they arent. Just like everyone elses kids. I dont see a halo on your head nor do I see you walking on water. You didnt always make the right choices either did you. Your house is glass to you know know so you shouldnt throw stones. Or were you not taught that? I dont know who this family is, but my heart goes out to them. This man made a mistake whatever it was, and he paid for it. And now so are his family. My thoughts and prayers go to them irregardless of what he has done.

That's a pretty bold statement Ryderhard,without knowing the cercomstances surounding the situation,for all you know he might have recieved some devistating news about a family member.distress can make people do so pretty odd things,including whatever it was made the cops chase him in the first place.IT wasn't, but could have been your own son, can you honestly say you'd want that for YOUR own family member?

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Because taking a "wait and see" attitude is cowardly and drawing ones' own conclusion is part of the process.

Seriously, people...what's with the jumping to conclusions on either side? Who's to say if the deceased did or did not deserve to be shot in the circumstances? Certainly not me, at least until I have more information.

On the other side of things, instantly shouting "looks like a cover-up coming" or the like is similarly jumping to a conclusion without any factual basis for doing so.

How about we all just wait and see what comes out of this? Or would that be asking too much?

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To those who think my comments are crass or out of line, yes the dead guy was a son, brother , loved one in one way or another....but the guy was a CRIMINAL with a mindset to KILL.

If you loved him so much, why did you not teach him right from wrong ?

So I guess that since you did not do that, you are to blame for his death. You really are !

Being an a-hole? Here is a bullet for you "craziesoutthere," police with ill-intentions deserve everything the public brings.

DEAR RYDERHARD

IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT AND IT WAS YOUR FAMILY.....THEN WHAT

AND BY THE WAY HE DID NOT HAVE A GUN.....

SO BIG MOUTH WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY NOW...WHAT ...ARE YOU A COP...

CATHY HIS SISTER

Reserve judgement? Nope...not gonna do it. My politically correct B.S. bucket is almost overflowing. That's just another way of saying "Wait till we can come up with some excuse for his behaviour" Probably cuz his dad never bought him a puppy when he was young.
Good people with good intentions do not ram police cars. When people act like this and the police are involved, I take the cops side every time.
(And here's a comment because I see the similaries between what happened at the Vancouver airport and this. Just try acting like that in an airport in ANY other country in the world.)We're so pathetically politically correct in Canada that we end up standing for NOTHING.
Support our police and let them protect themselves and us. There's alot of crazies out there and the police should never be victims of their ill intentions....ever. Don't wanna get shot? Stop acting like an a-hole.

logicalview says... I cut and paste. I don't have a view, it's illogical.

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Ryderhard says...

All I can say is GOOD SHOOT !

The perp in the rusty Toyota threatened the lives of the cops who were pursuing him, and threatened the lives of the public. His actions of intent to kill by ramming a van full of cops broadside sealed his fate.

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It was a terrific shot.

I'm hearing "excessive force" by people on the street. The cops must have thought to kill the guy after they kissed bumpers otherwise why would he be dead?

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN..............


Can you please keep your negitive commets to yourself....

This is coming from his sister.

Think before you spesk. If you have nothing good to say do not say it.

WHERE YOU THERE??????????????

Maybe someday down the road it could be your family member....

YOUR SON

YOUR BROTHER

YOUR FATHER............

SO PLEASE I WOULD LIKE IT YOU WOULD LET US GREIVE OVER OUR LOSS.....

THANK YOU

HIS SISTER..HIS MOM @ DAD....@ HIS CHILDREN...

I think we should wait for trhe investigation results, using a car for a weapon is a dangerous as any other weapon. To notscaredofblindpeople I don't known of any policeman who would tell you "that only scared people carry guns" are you saying our Soldier and Police are scared? yes you are likely right.Why don't you sign up for the Army and get shot at, or become a policeman and get shot at over someonelses bad choice.
to all the other"do gooders" I'am tired of hearing you bad mouth our RCMPolice" next time you need the police at 3:00am because someone has broken into your home, or stole from you, or your family is involved with neighbour dispute, or kids bike is stolen. Why don't you just wait until morning and let the police rest for just one night. Give them a break from their routine of numerous calls per night, let them have a meal at home with their family. Better volunteer for one of their programs see what " A Night Shift with RCMPolice in Kamloops" would be like. I think it is time for praise, and for those wondering "Why Police didn't wound the driver" will I understand that Police are not trained to wound anyone,so if you get shot in the arm or foot, you are lucky the police officer missed. and they are not trained to fire warning shots. So give it a break, let the police do their job, you can not coment on their job, you never had that training. You are better keeping your thoughts to yourself. Yes and with your comments signed "dumb Politician" from the contents of your comments I wonder about the "Politician" part.

To Whom itmay concern

Can you please keep your negitive comments to yourself.
This is coming from his sister
Think before you speak.
If you have nothing good to say do not say it.
Were you there?
Maybe someday down the road it could be one of your family members.
YOUR SON
YOUR BROTHER
YOUR FATHER
So please i would like it if you wouldlet us grieve over our loss.
From his sister and Family

It's amazing how some people draw conclusions to an incident before the facts have even been brought out. And to those who so quickly cry police cover-up the facts probably will never matter.

(riderhard) this is a comment to you how would you like it if this was your kid or brother this happend to you dont even know him he was a good person who went down the wrong road so why dont you just grow up. the RCMP just think there soo great cause who they are but really they just took somones life when they could of did it a different way. we need rcmp who want to save lives not kill evey bad person cause people change. R.I.P you will be missed

Bottom line is a man is dead and the people who shot him will be justified because of the badge they wear and the training they took. Obviously the training is a good thing but cant always help a person who disregards it and takes the high adrenaline happy finger route. A man is dead, gone, wont take another breath on this planet. He was a human being. Ya tried to hit the police but what made him try and run? Let’s see what the police end up saying. Guarantee they round the evidence to make it look justified because we know the superintenant won’t allow his Kamloops Police or RCMP division to look bad with all the bad media around RCMP and police now a days so no matter what the truth we are not going to know. So if you happy a man is dead good guy or bad guy check the mirror and say it out loud cause there a special place some where for you....

Hey sunshiningohsobrightly, who cares what it makes this city look like. That is so secondary and inconsequential to anything of importance, like loss of life and subsequent investigation. Those police officers killed someone, they have to deal with that, and somewhere someone is grieving the loss of their son, brother, uncle, maybe even dad. So let's all just take a step back and let the investigation unfold instead of speculating and even ignorantly celebrating his death (riderhard).

Baron,
Perhaps you should wait to hear everything that happened prior to the end of the incident before you jump to such rash conclusions.

All I can say is GOOD SHOOT !

The perp in the rusty Toyota threatened the lives of the cops who were pursuing him, and threatened the lives of the public. His actions of intent to kill by ramming a van full of cops broadside sealed his fate.

Thank the RCMP for saving taxpayer money wasted on idiots like this who are just begging to be removed from the gene pool anyways.

So, what kind of rounds do they use up there ?

Semi-jacketed 230gr hollow points would be my guess.

i am not going to comment until i hear more, but i would agree that taking a life should always be an ABSOLUTE last resort. this is bad for business all around. it makes this city look bad :)

Ok so from what I understand because buddy backed into the cops he was shot in the head? Are the police supposed to think first not just react? Sounds to me like they panicked and got trigger happy. Probably the first time they ever had the opportunity to fire there guns and took it. To bad they couldn’t off taken an extra half a second to think, then maybe buddy may have lived. Taking a life if you think about it is a very big deal and I don’t think this was a reason to shoot to kill. There supposed to be trained to subdue or disarm or take appropriate means to take care of the situation with out death. Shoot to wound maybe but even then that seams excessive to me. Another case of police with a mentality of being above the law. We are the law right guy and girls what we do and say goes our actions will be taken lightly if at all…..

A police officer told me over 10 years ago, in relation to violence prevention week.

He said,

"Only scared people carry weapons, and no matter their exterior, in their own mind they will always always feel like they are a victim"

My stance will never change, you pull a gun your a coward. Cut me up slander me, but I still don't believe splatering brains is good for anyone, or the coimmunity as a whole.

This is a prime example of why these low level criminals are carrying weapons in the first place.

A while ago they considered having one drug class in Canada, meaning posession of a joint would be the same as a pound of cocaine. Problem is the low level peaceful potheads would face the same charges as a major importer of hard drugs.

Well, on the street the mentality changed from "Lets go relax in the park and smoke one too, Might as well go crazy, rob a few cars etc, because its the same charge."

The more violence is used the more the criminals will carry weapons to defend themselves. But, hey who am I to talk. I'm just a dumb politician.

everyone thinks its soo good that he got shot omg im sooo happy this happend but if you think about it he got messed up in the wrong life everyone makes mistakes but all different. and think about it would you like to read all this crap about your kid no so why dont you just stick it where the sun dont shine cause you didnt know him and you have no place to say anything.

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All I ever seam to hear is Bang! Bang!.. Bang! Bang!

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Simple.

Don't endanger the lives of a police officers and you won't endanger yours.

A bit of law abiding would make the community a much nicer place.

He deserved to be shot.

Ya that makes sense take their guns away so that police (who are trying to protect us from criminals) get run over by idiots in their vehicles.

And to assume they are trying to cover anything up is ridiculous!! Get your head out of your butt and join us here in the real world. kamloops is a dangerous city at times, we should be thankful for our police officers and for them putting their lives on the line everyday to protect our families!

we better take these cowboys guns away :)

Crissy, are you serious? The employee was in the parking lot and SAW the whole thing happen! That makes him/her a WITNESS.

And before you jump to any conclusions, perhaps you should get ALL THE FACTS! We have no idea who this person was or what he was doing that forced the RCMP to draw and fire.

What gets my goat is the fact that you'd probably be criticizing them for NOT shooting at the guy if an innocent bystander had gotten killed by his actions.

Here we go again , will wait to hear more before I go head hunting ,,,.But to be honest this is happening far to often ...

I hear that Council is going to start calling the north shore Abbotsford North.

What is wrong with an RCMP helicopter hovering over a serious crime scene? Also, the article states the police interviewed only one employee of the bistro who was in the parking lot when the shooting occured, making him, oh I don't know...a WITNESS perhaps?

This is a serious incident with no room for your ridiculous and petty commentary Crissy.

RCMP Helicopter hovering...interviewing employees who had no involvement whatsoever ....hmmm....sounds like a cover-up coming....

Holy crap!